Folks, this is a general warning to watch your language here on this forum.
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Thats the thing tho, its a acid pool and not really a ROSEtrail
By concept, yates is Broken. Thats the problem. Honestly, ive never liked him.
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San Feng is OP and totally not a low tier bully. Seen what t10 silvers/known players can do with him and itās ātoo much (to keep my language in check)ā to say the least. If he is played from a highly skilled player in high tier match with all the players being good, itās 90% win for the team he is a part of.
T10 bronze/silvers match from the past with him in my team. One example: chasing 3 players - 2 carries, one captain in a side lane with the base entry tower up. Killing one of the carries while all are on him while retreating. INVADING base to kill half t he HP bar second carry protected by support and then retreat alive. VS competent t10 players. He is not OP, he is broken when played by a good player that knows how that hero works.
Edit: again, this is 5vs5. 
My thoughts:
NERFS:
Baron nerf: Expected
Gwen nerf: Expected
Magnus nerf: Expected
GJ nerf: Expected
Varya nerf: She is honestly still strong, but I never thought she needed to be nerfed. She is honestly fine the way she is. Maybe they wanted to prevent her from being overwhelmong with other mage nerfs? But if that is the case Celeste should also be nerfed lul
Sam nerf: He is really strong in high ranks, so it does not surprise me, but I hope he is not nerfed too hard cause he is pretty balanced if not on the stronger side
Joule nerf: She is still really strong. Not a surprise to me tbh
Lack of a Yeets nerf: This boggles my mind. His A is busted beyond belief especially in high tiers where players actually know when to use his A. That thing has too much range and his movespeed buff on his AOE STUN only makes him even dumberā¦o and a global teleportā¦yeahā¦very overloaded kitā¦
Lack of a San nerf: I still donāt think giving heroes free damage is ever a good idea. Dudeās a brick wall late game in team fights and with a coordinated team can shut down mid lane. Much better in PC too cause his reactive playstyle is well suited for keyboard unlike say phones where misclicking can be very easy when you need to react so quickly.
Lance potential nerf: Expected changes on Lance. His damage is insaneā¦
BUFFS:
Idris: Not doing too much rn, but hopefully he os not buffed too much
Silvernail: Desperately needed a buff
Vox: CP Vox is alright rn. Pretty balanced, but a buff is not farfetched for him
Kinetic: Why
Kensei: Actually surprisingly solid rn. Another buff would actually make him potentially very very strong next patch
Kestrel: Not doing much rn, so not surprising
Patel: Better be a rework
Ringo: Ringo players will appreciate a buff
Rona: Desperately needed a buff, but she might need some kind of overhaul to deal with the CC meta if SEMC is not gonna address CC as a whole
Skye: Appreciates the buff
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Seeing Varya nerf and Kinetic buff makes me wonder, do they even play the game? Ringo for once in his life is actually balanced and they decided to buff him. But why though? I hope they didnāt kill Baron and Gwen same as GJ. But usually meta heroes get nuked with nerfs. Joule also didnāt really need a nerf in my opinion. She could be really strong but you can also counter her. If they just nerf all those heroes hard itās just less viable ones.
Not an expert but I am pretty sure thatās not how balancing works.
Was that Amorph lol?
Heās not at all balanced. I have like 15 games with him and no matter win or loss I only had a bad game once because I built offense without enough defense because I didnāt understand the hero yet. Iāve had multiple games laning against 2 people and even the roam coming and without any help itās still not hard to win the lane at all. That shouldnāt be a thing. Itās not like that hero requires some godly mechanics.
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Dont mind me but I must ask the many of you freaking or atleast already complaining.
We dont know if its a insignificant buff!
Like a buff to Kinetics ult wouldnāt matter as much. So we shouldnāt already bash the patch notes that we havent even saw yetā¦
Canāt remember rn, but it was few games that I was named a few things, because of a varya pick (not first pick in any of them, to clarify 
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I wonder if there will be also item changes/additions (new items is not likely as no teaser at all) and if this is not the reasoning around some of the buffs/nerfs? 
For Kinetic youāre right. It wouldnāt change much but either way she does not need it. For Varya though, literally no matter what you nerf it doesnāt make sense. Sheās not even close to meta or reliable. Itās not about the buffs/nerfs being too significant. Itās about the fact that SEMC donāt understand what theyāre doing. No matter if the nerf doesnāt change anything, if the hero needs a buff nerfing even 1 WP or something is just stupid as it shows how disconnected they are.
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I asked because every time Iāve seen someone in his team pick Varya he roasts them hahaha.
I donāt think there will be items or heroes either.
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Imo I personally think its the test team thats to look at. I honestly think they need to improve the testers cuz you knowā¦
They havent been doing what they should be doing correctly. Either that or the testers must consist of like 10 people to check almost 50 heros if they all were to get changes.
CP Vox is dead, WP is even worse.
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The effects on that Skye skin are amazing! Like some teched out butterfly/mantis shrimp hybrid. Canāt wait to use it! 
Downside? It highlights how heavily they leaned on fantasy theming for the Riseā¦ Give me more grungy sci-fi pls, devs. 
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I would not consider it dead. Not amazing at all, but not dead. It can work in fringe cases.
No one ever picks him in high elo, with a 44% win rate and never seen in high elo I wouldnāt say itās balanced.
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He has lower rates than Kensei pre-rework soā¦ I wouldnāt say thatās balanced
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Can work is valid for every single hero, when itās played from a top 50 player it will look like OP even. The real truth is that CP vox is weak and WP so much that even dnzio couldnāt make it work recently vs players not on his level and straight up said (the same that all the other top players will) that WP vox is not viable.
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I nearly choked when I saw what they did with his Ult.
Hes a dps carry not a burst lull
Excoundrel just said they donāt get the changes anymore, just knowing whoās buffed and nerfed. How the hell are they supposed to test that way? Anyway remember Xeno was complaining how San Feng is way too broken, Excoundrel said they needed to change his numbers and yet SEMC released it the same way anyway. I donāt think itās only the testers thatās the problem. Why is there even testers if they donāt affect anything?
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