Depends, in some team compositions and in skilled hands - cath top/jungle can be a real problem.
L3on classified Cath as one of the strongest heroes of the pacth on S+ tier (S tier for everyone alse)
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In the MPL people start laughing when a team didnāt ban Catherine soā¦
She is currently one of the strongest heroes in the update and itās definitely ban worthy. Catherine is banned over SF or even Yates or malene. I wouldnāt be surprise if they nerf her next update.
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As I predicted. Theyāre about to destroy one of the gameās most iconic heroes. Rich lore. An OG. Didnāt need a buff in the first place - I felt she was in a healthy spot. Hopefully they just revert the changes! She was fine!
Revert changesā¦ yeahā¦ keep thinking that (coff coff Lance coff coff)ā¦
Specially not such a big one. Well, now you understand why I donāt want any of my mains to be buffed 
Hopefully they donāt destroy her, but they tend to do it soā¦ good luck.
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First Joule, now, letās hope not Cahterine. 
I lost BF, that hurts even more. They not only nerfed him but completely destroyed his kit
Iāve lost BF, idris, Vox (WP), reimā¦ 
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Same here
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I jungled WP Idris (just taking a trip down memory lane) in 5v5 casual and went 15/0/2. Was fun. But not real. I love his WP playstyle.
I feel you though.
I have no idea why Sen Feng is still being called OP by anyone. He is the kind of hero that feels really good at first, but once players learn to fight him is quite manageable. As a captain I am much happier to fight Sen Feng than Catherine even before the buff. past 8m if you block his ult he is pretty useless, has a much less reliable stun than Cath, and his B has zero utility, base damage can only help for so long.
Sen Feng is not even a lane bully if you fight him correctly, I was running Sen Feng in top and got totally bullies by Gwen. If you stick pretty clock to him, and be careful about proccing his A you can always side step his B without any abilities. He is an alright top lane, but in high tiers he is not even a priority pick.
I agree that heās not OP, I just think a well-played San Feng with good use of A and a well placed ULT is still more disruptive than Catherine. Time and current trends this patch seem to be slowly proving me wrong however, so Iām certainly open to being corrected. 
Again, I didnāt say he was OP. Just stating that heād necessitate a ban over Catherine, and I very well could be wrong, but IMO bans are somewhat, somewhat subjective.
To me, there are TWO priority bans if youāre 2nd pick: Yates (how many patches in a row now??) and Leo.
I put Malene at third - a good Malene player is so hard to deal with.
Unpopular opinion: While I will likely ban Leo, is it too awful to let him slide as the 2nd pick? I find he is sitll countered pretty hard by some heavy cc and early game gangks if heās in lane.
What are folks placing as priority bans? Iād like to hear from multiple tier players! Whatās being banned at T7-8 range? T5-6?
I actually donāt find Gwen specially hard to stop as SF. You may not destroy her, but she shouldnāt be able to bully you at all. Itās so easy to proc your A with her A (you need reflexes though) or with her basic attacks and even if she B out of the stun, it has double your A cooldown. A good SF shouldnāt lose the lane against almost any hero.
People is gonna laugh, but the carry I find can relatively easily win against SF is Silvernail. SFās B can be dodged easily unless stunned, and Silvernail can just put a trap before attacking you. Though it can be me being a one trick Silvernail 
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If the enemy drafts a comp to help him you are pretty much screwed no matter what you do. 2.2k damage per A is not something you can easily counter,
Agreed, but in quite a few ranked 3v3 matches with @Imanoob weāve had some success letting him slip. We either snag him late if they pick non-stunners and choose to not pick him, and if they get him, weāve had good success countering him with Catherine, Ozo, and some other cc heroes that have decent sustain. Cathās bubble really whips him, and Ozoās A fairs well against him.
However, he does better in 5v5 with the extra support from teammates and less predictable rotation/assassination attempts on Sovereignās Rise as opposed to the more predictable Halcyon Fold.
Overall, I agree that itās wise to ban him. His A is ridiculous.
Leo in 3v3 is not strong as in 5v5 since 3v3 is more snowball orientated, but in 5v5 you canāt let him pass the draft. Catherine counters him, but Ozo should not be a problem if the enemy knows what they are doing.
Leo in 3v3 isnāt hard to deal with agree, I thought you were talking about 5v5 though. In 3v3 he is actually quite bad due to how snowball oriented that mode is. Itās like kensei on release, he was op in 5v5 but considered freelo in 3v3 for that reason: snowballing is out of control in that mode.
I wouldnāt go as far as to say heās āquite badā in 3v3 - heās still super strong. Again, one swing of that A, a team fight is turned. But he doesnāt get the support/distraction he needs to be at his best, like he does in 5v5.
Also, I am sort of talking about both (?) - ha! Obviously, there are differences between 3v3 and 5v5, but in general, Leo is worthy of a ban or really picking counters as best you can to not under-estimate him.
Keep those 4.4 first impressions coming, folks!
Very few late game scaling heroes are strong in that mode. Leo itās very easy to snowball in 3v3. If he is jungle he wonāt enter it against the top junglers, and if he is in lane it can be trickier but itās still easy to snowball and gank. He is also easier to focus in the mode.
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Iāve been playing quite a bit of ranked 3v3 - itās been fun! Iāll definitely say that Alpha is VERY strong in 3v3 right now - difficult to counter even with his counters. Heās even getting banned on occasion depending on the player.