3.8 meta predictions

Vainglory Discussion 5v5
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The MJ passive isnt affected by BS. Also, TB will probably be better than BS in most builds.

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Phinn and Lance stun combo still gonna dominate.

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I can only pray that Rona and BF are now playable in ranked modes.

The amount of toxicity I had to face by just tapping the hero saying I wanted to play rona, is just crazy.

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BF wonā€™t be playable. BP, one of his core items got destroyed. He is still weak, he offers nothing to his team, not worth picking. Ronaā€¦ depends on the meta, but will suffer too from the BP nerf and the nerf to reflex block (she is very vulnerable to CC). I expect Rona to be playable, though not meta, and BF to continue being just a legend.

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I would say the opposite, BP is Ronaā€™s core item if thatā€™s nerfed sheā€™s nerfed and BP was hit hard and as you said CC is strong against her. BS could very much benefit BF, back when BF was initially release BS/SM was his go to build, I think a buffed to BP is what caused the replacement. And he is stronger against CC then most. Iā€™d a BS/SS build could work on him, especially with everyone being squishier now, he has a lot of natural damage and defense. I think BF could be meta.

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I donā€™t think so, he is in general just weak. And when he was released, his build was SM, BP, SS, JB, Aegis, AP. He suffers from a weak kit right now. He is also very squishy, unlike Rona. Iā€™m saying Rona can be viable because idk how the meta will change in terms of cc, so if there isnā€™t an over saturation of cc she will be good. BF is, as Iā€™ve said, weak, same as Kensei (who got hard nerfed).

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BF has nothing to offer his team that another hero couldnā€™t do better

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Hey he still has top tier sexiness

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I took the last patch off but here are my thoughts:

  • Attack speed or AA reset ranged heroes and maybe melee who can use BS should improve - Ringo, Vox, Kestrel, Rona, Ozo, Glaive.

  • Base armor/shield increases mean heroes with piercing should get an advantage - Kestrel and Joule - while burst heroes are nerfed.

  • The BoE changes mean laning is going to be worse for melee heroes, especially Ozo.

  • Jouleā€™s viability may go up. The 35% damage reduction should be really good. Jouleā€™s perk improved while no other melee hero became tankier and many ranged heroes received nerfs.

  • CP Ozoā€™s viability may go up. The AS change means he isnā€™t timing TRC as carefully, meaning more healing/sec. EoH 5% increase in life steal is actually a 5.5-6.25% increase for him. The increased pierce on BM helps his high base damage on Acrobounce. The RB cd increase helps his ultimate.

  • High scaling/low base heroes may suffer from the across the board damage reduction on WP/CP items. Inversely the BS buff and BM nerf/buff should help high base damage heroes.

  • RB and Aegis are seeing a nerf with 30s and 10s CD increases respectively. Crucible is going from 45 to 75s. Aegis just became even more valuable because RB/Crucible may not be up for every fight. Any hero with a stun just became more viable, especially mid game. Any Ult with a stun that has a cd less than 45sec with max built cd of 35% just got much better.

  • The build order for Spellsword if it isnā€™t the first item will be clunky.

  • Piercing doesnā€™t stack but TB is 35% and BS is 20%. Every WP build will have one of these items.

  • Mid lane will get an extra 300g over 5 mins with the extra ranged minion. There is 60 more gold in outer lanes per wave and 85 in mid. Per wave you get 50 less ambient gold. Thatā€™s a net increase of 10 gold for perfect last hitting in an outer lane and 35 in mid. Missing one hit and getting the 30% will cost you an average of 35g. Perfect wave clear over 25 seconds gives 275g for outer lanes and 300g for mid with ambient included. I think we see recalling after almost every wave in mid with Roam holding a wave. The only way to solve this is to put a 60-second cd on recalls. Jungle clear gold (HT, SB, OG, GO) is up from 335 to 405 so I think we see the same meta for bot and top lane. Until experience and gold split is changed the outer lane meta wonā€™t significantly change.

Ranged, stun heavy comps should be popular. Heroes I think might see more play: Celeste, Samuel, Kestrel, Gwen, Catherine, Lance, Ozo, Joule, Glaive, Baptist.

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Also with the energy nerfs, Samuel may see an increase in popularity thanks to his perk.

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They nerfed energy big time. I actually didnā€™t like the energy changes before 5vs5 release - making it easy to buy little energy regen/+ energy and spam. BUT they nerf it right now so hard, that I really donā€™t know how fun it will be to play out of energy all the time leading to massive use of off meta items just to spam abilities. After all - spamming abilities will deal more dmg than more CP but staying and watching the fight without energy.

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The nerfs werent that hard except for Baron and maybe Kestrel. Other than thatā€¦

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Celeste - Range and Stun
Samuel - Energy management, range, stun
Kestrel - SB, SB, TB and a stun
Gwen - see Kestrel
Catherine - RB changes
Lance - see Cath
Ozo - AS changes and stun
Joule - Perk change and stun
Glaive - see Gwen
Baptist - see Lance