I’m so tired of this. They don’t even try.
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MMR and VST are seperate, i decayed to poa bronze and when i ranked i kept getting vgs.
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I think sonata was talking about himself starting on matchmaking fix 2 weeks ago , I don’t know what his job in semc but I know he is/was talents balance dev from nivmett .
Let’s just hope they do something already… I fight vs much much better enemies and get t4 noobs with a t10 rank next to their name…
At this point I want a hard reset. I hate hard resets because I don’t play enough to climb fast…
Between the matchmaker and boosted players there can be no balance.
No balance=bad games
Bad games=death of the game, if continued…
A reset works for those active at the time and fucks those not. Maybe it’s the best option though.
I just lost a game at T6. Opposition had a T7 and T8 duo, that was their 3v rank though. So obviously for 5v they are started at T4 and then destroy games on their way up. How anyone can see that as fun or fair for the other participants bemuses me.
I can’t disagree with your statement regarding the harm this is doing and the potential result.
They already tried the “complete reset” option on 5vs5 release, and it was arguably the biggest clusterfuck in VG history.
It solves absolutely nothing, and compounds the exact problems you are currently complaining about.
How could a dysfunctional match-making process possibly improve by giving it no data to work with?
There was no reset on 5v5 release.
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I dont think the problem can be solved honestly, we already know that there isnt alot of players spread across the ranks evenly and due to boosting, lower ranks some how makes its way up to the higher tiers.
If we actually got a major influx of players, it would probably fix itself unless the match maker is truely at fault
Honestly i dont like 3-5 man teams, To scale the later should be about individual skill and if you really deserve to go up, not by playing on a 3-5 team and reking soloquers.
My thoughts would be to only allow duos to be allowed, but ik all the players would complain. RIP 
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Actually, if you care to look through some of the older topics, you will notice that there was either a reset or no MM at all. Which amounts to the same thing, as the state after an actual, intentional reset is everyone being lumped together at the same tier.
And it sucked.
The post I linked you to suggests Nivmett spoke of an intentional MMR reset, though I don’t know where. If you care to dig it up, please be my guest.
VST wasn’t reset so it doesn’t make sense to reset MMR. The post you showed doesn’t look like proof to me. It’s someone saying it not a dev. And speaking of devs SEMC gave said many times they would NEVER reset MMR because of what happened last time they did it. So it makes literally no sense to reset it for 5v5.
Uh… the VST displayed on 5vs5 release (the actual release, not the ranked release) was previous season 3vs3.
There wasn’t even 5vs5 ranks that could have been shown.
I meant the rank for 5v5 was based on 3v3 rank. And again many devs have said they would never do MMR reset. So why would they change that?
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Sigh… okay. Yes, your initial 5vs5 VST and ranked MMR was calculated from a variety of factors, one of which was your 3vs3 (ranked) performance. One of the other factors was 5vs5 matches played previously. We’re talking about patch 3.0 or 3.1.
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That’s months after the release of 5vs5.
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Casual and Ranked MMRs are separate.
If 5vs5 match-making had been based on 3vs3 MMR upon release, we wouldn’t have gotten completely random matches. But it wasn’t. And we did. There’s really no point in discussing this further. It’s simply a fact.
Random matches does not equal a start from the ground up mmr reset…
Facts like those are no facts at all…
They are a deduction based on your reasoning which isn’t everyones reasoning…
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This is your interpretation. I got you BUT even when ranked was released VG gold still matched together. This wasn’t reset MMR but broken match maker.
Okay. So Tier 10 golds being matched with tier 3s is bad. It constitutes a broken match-maker. According to you.
And the solution to the current MM issues is supposedly to perform a hard reset, so all Tier 10s get matched indiscriminately with the rest of the playerbase? What the actual fuck?
Xaldarian identified a problem, his proposed solution is TO MAKE IT WORSE, and you start a page-long discussion with me about whether or not there was a MMR reset. When it’s perfectly clear that the results of the match-making, at the time, were as close to that as is feasibly possible.
Really, at this point I just have to assume you’re trolling.
No. Our idea is to reset it once and not again. Then LOCK it. Do NOT let VGs match low tiers under any circumstances. Besides if it depends on me I wouldn’t do full reset. Instead on season end reset MMR as much as VST. That way people won’t be boosted by the game to their old rank (seriously what the fuck is the current reset supposed to do?) Some people will probably still be higher than they should be but they’ll struggle every season if they’re not where they should be or someone will need to boost them every season.
Both Bobmax and I want to destroy boosted player mmr. Which will make peoples MMR closer to their actual skill.
Add a real matchmaker to that and the problems are gone…
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Just a friendly reminder to keep things civil, even when you disagree with other folks – remember, it’s their point of view you are debating …
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He probably created the post anyways because he was in a trio queue and destroyed the solo Q players on the other side in a ranked match.