In t10 bronze/silver when I picked her few times I was named a troll in chat with a good reason. Varya is one of the weakest mid mages right now.
Edit: 5vs5, I donāt play currently 3vs3 and as you (should) know the balance changes are primary around 5vs5.
She doesnt have the weakest ealry Game from all heroes (for mages yes though).
She has one if the strongest late game heroesā¦ But require a different play style and its harder than the other mages.
I wasnt angry, its what i wanted.
He is top meta, in fact, quite a few forumers here would argue he is op.
Yeahā¦ Lets kill the only utility hero that needs some sort of skill. I would just revert the last buff, It wasnt needed.
Reminds me a lot from the rose trail of LB BF.
Curious to see what you think about the changes @Sandiha no San Feng changes nor reza.
True, I didnāt think about that. I havenāt played 5v5 in about 3 patches bar one match. I almost forget it exists sometimes. That could be the difference.
In my opinion heās strong, definitely meta, but not OP. Heās probably one of the most balanced heroes in the game, because while his Abilities are strong, theyāre all relatively easy to dodge. He may be a bit OP in a well coordinated team, because he does need multiple enemies to chunk him down. Generally Iāve just opted to ignore him until the rest of the enemy team is down though. But again, Iām speaking from a 3v3 point of view. A good nerf might be to give him energy, thereās literally no reason for him not to have any.
I basically agree with all that. Just one thing: VGPRO isnt updated, those stats are from last patch. About celeste, its the same mistake over and over again, every time celeste becomes lo its because the rest were nerfed and she is just left untouched. I would argue about Kinetic being more unfun to play against than yates, but i will say im also surprised he isnt nerfed.
This update shows how bad bot was, where only 2-3 heroes are viable (and op) and the rest are completely useless.
About San Feng, its very hard to see to what point he is strong without having any stats available.
Seriously, what happened with VGPRO?
SEMC has done almost nothing with the API in almost a year. Theyāve not bothered to add data from newer modes, for example, and changes/improvements that were promised over the past 2 years never happened. So Iām sure that Pierreās interest in maintaining VGPRO has declined. Moreover, he no longer works for SEMC, so thereās that factor as well.
Seriously yates is the most obnoxious hero to play against specially in the laning phase, its like playing against a phinn at level 1 (yes i know he can only hook 1 target and the ability is blocked by minions). If that wasnāt enough he can so easily land an aoe stun, like if a hero has so much ā ā ā ā cc that is very easy to land why do they feel the need to give him so much damage.
hehehe I love abusing Yates. Do not diss my new main.
Folks, this is a general warning to watch your language here on this forum.
Thats the thing tho, its a acid pool and not really a ROSEtrail
By concept, yates is Broken. Thats the problem. Honestly, ive never liked him.
San Feng is OP and totally not a low tier bully. Seen what t10 silvers/known players can do with him and itās ātoo much (to keep my language in check)ā to say the least. If he is played from a highly skilled player in high tier match with all the players being good, itās 90% win for the team he is a part of.
T10 bronze/silvers match from the past with him in my team. One example: chasing 3 players - 2 carries, one captain in a side lane with the base entry tower up. Killing one of the carries while all are on him while retreating. INVADING base to kill half t he HP bar second carry protected by support and then retreat alive. VS competent t10 players. He is not OP, he is broken when played by a good player that knows how that hero works.
Edit: again, this is 5vs5. 
My thoughts:
NERFS:
Baron nerf: Expected
Gwen nerf: Expected
Magnus nerf: Expected
GJ nerf: Expected
Varya nerf: She is honestly still strong, but I never thought she needed to be nerfed. She is honestly fine the way she is. Maybe they wanted to prevent her from being overwhelmong with other mage nerfs? But if that is the case Celeste should also be nerfed lul
Sam nerf: He is really strong in high ranks, so it does not surprise me, but I hope he is not nerfed too hard cause he is pretty balanced if not on the stronger side
Joule nerf: She is still really strong. Not a surprise to me tbh
Lack of a Yeets nerf: This boggles my mind. His A is busted beyond belief especially in high tiers where players actually know when to use his A. That thing has too much range and his movespeed buff on his AOE STUN only makes him even dumberā¦o and a global teleportā¦yeahā¦very overloaded kitā¦
Lack of a San nerf: I still donāt think giving heroes free damage is ever a good idea. Dudeās a brick wall late game in team fights and with a coordinated team can shut down mid lane. Much better in PC too cause his reactive playstyle is well suited for keyboard unlike say phones where misclicking can be very easy when you need to react so quickly.
Lance potential nerf: Expected changes on Lance. His damage is insaneā¦
BUFFS:
Idris: Not doing too much rn, but hopefully he os not buffed too much
Silvernail: Desperately needed a buff
Vox: CP Vox is alright rn. Pretty balanced, but a buff is not farfetched for him
Kinetic: Why
Kensei: Actually surprisingly solid rn. Another buff would actually make him potentially very very strong next patch
Kestrel: Not doing much rn, so not surprising
Patel: Better be a rework
Ringo: Ringo players will appreciate a buff
Rona: Desperately needed a buff, but she might need some kind of overhaul to deal with the CC meta if SEMC is not gonna address CC as a whole
Skye: Appreciates the buff
Seeing Varya nerf and Kinetic buff makes me wonder, do they even play the game? Ringo for once in his life is actually balanced and they decided to buff him. But why though? I hope they didnāt kill Baron and Gwen same as GJ. But usually meta heroes get nuked with nerfs. Joule also didnāt really need a nerf in my opinion. She could be really strong but you can also counter her. If they just nerf all those heroes hard itās just less viable ones.
Not an expert but I am pretty sure thatās not how balancing works.
Was that Amorph lol?
Heās not at all balanced. I have like 15 games with him and no matter win or loss I only had a bad game once because I built offense without enough defense because I didnāt understand the hero yet. Iāve had multiple games laning against 2 people and even the roam coming and without any help itās still not hard to win the lane at all. That shouldnāt be a thing. Itās not like that hero requires some godly mechanics.
Dont mind me but I must ask the many of you freaking or atleast already complaining.
We dont know if its a insignificant buff!
Like a buff to Kinetics ult wouldnāt matter as much. So we shouldnāt already bash the patch notes that we havent even saw yetā¦
Canāt remember rn, but it was few games that I was named a few things, because of a varya pick (not first pick in any of them, to clarify 
). 
I wonder if there will be also item changes/additions (new items is not likely as no teaser at all) and if this is not the reasoning around some of the buffs/nerfs? 
For Kinetic youāre right. It wouldnāt change much but either way she does not need it. For Varya though, literally no matter what you nerf it doesnāt make sense. Sheās not even close to meta or reliable. Itās not about the buffs/nerfs being too significant. Itās about the fact that SEMC donāt understand what theyāre doing. No matter if the nerf doesnāt change anything, if the hero needs a buff nerfing even 1 WP or something is just stupid as it shows how disconnected they are.